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#one Jan 2, 2015
I have this really horrible anxiety when information technology comes to playing Magic and deckbuilding; and information technology's mainly due to the horrible costs on singles to actually go into the game.
I would actually dear to get into EDH (which is supposed to be the coincidental format) just to accept a good deck it can cost upwards of 400-500 dollars. For a teen that's well-nigh to start college, and with a non-high paying job that's a lot of greenbacks to be throwing at cards when I have things I Need to buy or save up for. It'southward really stress inducing because I like owning the physical cards, MTGO has never appealed to me, and I love this game a ton. Does anyone else feel the aforementioned way?
It merely makes me sad that I cannot play one of my favorite games considering of how pricey it is. Anyone feel the same fashion?
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#three Jan 2, 2015
I retrieve a good budget edh deck will be effectually $100-200, the more than expensive office is the mana fixing, it depends on which general y'all are builing and what colour combination.
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#4 January 2, 2015
Basically this. If you starting time with a Commander precon, you've basically bought a video game, and you can play with information technology out of the box. Slot in stuff you've already got (sunk cost), and then add new stuff as you lot purchase or trade for singles. Don't try to buy the entire deck at once if you've got limited funds. It's like the difference betwixt paying for something large (similar a motorcar) upward forepart vs. spacing out the payment each calendar month over several years.
And eventually, you'll be in a situation where y'all're not constantly strapped for cash. (Hopefully!) Then you lot tin buy the things yous desire, when yous want them. Like but today I ordered 44 cards for a new Commander deck, including some expensive stuff like Mana Catacomb. But at that place's no way I'd have been able to do that when I was your age, rexxyc. To build the same deck, I would have gotten a card here, a menu in that location, done a lot of trading at my LGS, and maybe saved up for months to get the Mana Crypt.
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#v Jan 2, 2015
There are enough people like you lot that you should be able to figure out a manner to work around it. I have a actually solid collection of EDH playable cards so it'due south not an issue for me anymore, but there I've found enough people into alternative formats that ane tin can play out hither without owning any cards if they want. We take EDH Draft nighttime where all you lot need to bring is a playmat. I have a Pauper metagame in a box that anyone can use. I've got a Type 4 Stack that we've been playing with lately. I also pack all of the EDH precons, Archenemy, and Planechase if anyone ever wants to play those.
I mention this non to say "Look at all the cards I have" just rather to point out that nigh populated parts of the USA have multiple people doing the same affair. Hither in Portland I know of iv EDH Cubes, a dozen other cubes, a couple Pauper nights, and ton of super laid back EDH where a precon would be enough to game. You lot just have to look around.
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#6 Jan 2, 2015
It has been said before, but it bears repeating. At that place is no need to buy it all at once. Starting with a serviceable EDH/Commander deck, like a precon, and slotting in cards as yous go them works very well. If y'all have been playing Magic a year of two you probably accept more EDH quality cards than you think.
Equally for price, certain decks tin can easily cost $500 (most of mine are around there) it is easy to build a cheap deck that works well. I have a Jund deck that just ramps into X-toll spells, and it is merely over $100 (most of that is the Sorin Markov I just had from Zendikar standard) and a ton of fun to play. The big flashy cards are definitely good, but don't underestimate the value of uncommons and dollar rares.
EDIT: I should probably reply the question. I used to get super nervous when asking to join a group in a game of EDH, and I still do to a small extent. Information technology largely went away when I found out how by and large dainty this community is. People merely wanna play Magic and are normally super happy to take others play with them.
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#7 Jan 2, 2015
If you have anxiety problems, DO Not PLAY MTGO, it volition give you a panic attack. Skipped turns at on a key press, overpriced, clock abusers, and a host of other issues that volition flare-up your veins.
The in a higher place post by lithl hits it on the money aspect. Rule #1 of magic though, if you are on a tight budget, magic might not exist the best option for spending what piddling funds you might have. Id invest in yourself and come back when you have no budget worries. As much fun as losing on a budget could be, you might simply find something better to do forth the manner likewise. Either style, take fun.
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#9 January two, 2015
i go anxiety about dealing with the crowds and the people not so much playing the game.
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#11 January 2, 2015
Sort of.
For years I was know to be a cheapskate it kinda became a thing.
I like to embrace the creatively working on a deck with a upkeep brings. I seriously love deck building and giving myself extra restrictions is fun, I take to build without common powercards, I have to work synergy into my decks to brand up for the lack of ability.
Most of my EDH decks are super inexpensive mostly synthetic from the ruins of my standard decks when they rotated or from ane of the precons.
Mono red Dragons with Zirilian for instance is very cheap for the ability information technology has. Deveri is a cleaved commander and even at the caput of command of a buch of ii cmc one/1 flying creatures (all with the creature type bird) I made him terrorfying. My other decks are a niggling more than expensive but they also my older decks that I congenital up in ability slowly.
I have anxiety accoiated with playing in constructed tournaments, by and large game day, I am too anxious to deal with it every calendar week at FNM and thats the only contructed I become here in the middle of nowhere. It is a form of brewxiety, the feeling I should just not play my janky deck and cyberspace deck because if I am going to play coin for a tournament I don't want to just go and never win a game and every time I am scared I will.
Unfortanetly for me my game days have a habit of going awfully and just feeling this weight of nervousness.
My offset i I just couldn't win a game, even grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory a few times I simply won when I played the 12 yr old with the pile of cards he owns.
My 2d went better, i had a run a risk at some point but my deck had a meta game weakness to burn down that cost me.
My third I finally gave in and net decked, although a deck I liked in mono blueish devotion, simply I couldn't afford mutavaults so I cut my tiptop end threw in extra i drops, milltary intellergence and claustrapobia, lost to esper and the mirror( although it was super super close).
The most recent i was horrible it was like my outset one all over again, (this time with more rounds), I lost my beginning three matches 0-2. (jeskai bad match upwards, GB Dev should of won died to mana dork crush downward, RW tokens died to 36 damage in 1 plow when in consummate control). I had luncheon and didn't lose a friction match after that. Other than the first I have gone 3-3 everytime :Due south.. Yay average.
However I enjoy drafting and play only fine in drafts, with very little anxiety, I find them fun.
Perhaps consider drafting, Information technology becomes a pocket-size weekly expense rather than a large amount of money down you tin actually get quite a collection that way and that allows you to have trade forage.
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#12 Jan ii, 2015
No, I have a fairly Vulcan emotional outlook, and so no feet.
I am SUPER-Inexpensive withal, and have accumulated a fairly large collection mainly through trading away anything valuable I typhoon. I am often shocked by how much our EDH decks are worth, and a lot of that is because the cards have appreciated so much.
The key with a lot of this is to non experience limited by other's ideas of what is 'practiced'. Every time I hear someone say something is 'unplayable' it makes me chuckle a chip inside, because really there is no such thing. If y'all're not going to spend like crazy and want to win, you will have to learn to be unpredictable. And that means playing cards people won't expect to see coming.
Household decks (my married woman and I)
EDH decks (20) - avg. $200 (max of $400, min of $89)
Standard decks (2) - $75 for both
Mod decks (2) - $150 for both
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#13 Jan 2, 2015
That doesn't audio like anxiety to me. Feet would be more than similar when someone is too anxious or nervous to play an opponent.
EDH is a blazon of play that takes a while to build up, sort of similar buying a house. Fifty-fifty times when I apartment out bought many cards from an online deck list from abugames.com, it still took a while to put together an EDH deck. Y'all could ever buy a Pre Constructed one and build from there.
Lastly, sometimes y'all take to start slowly. I restarted playing Magic during Storm and at first, I was just planning on playing Commons, Uncommons, and cheap Rares. Soon enough, I had a gustation for competitive play and bought 2 boxes of Tempest. I got into it actually quickly, just you can definitely have your fourth dimension. (Dorsum then, higher students could afford to do what I did.) Present, being a Magic actor doesn't become well with being a poor college student. My job doesn't become well with existence a caviar taster or yacht rider, merely I don't mind. Not everything is for everybody and you tin always take a plan to come up back to the game when it is more affordable for you.
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)#14 Jan 2, 2015
Like almost of the people on here who are concerned about not existence able to afford to build the decks they desire to play, I call up y'all'd be surprised at how many people are willing to lend out competitive decks for the evening IF yous are friendly and handle their cards carefully. There'southward probably at least ane EDH enthusiast at your LGS who has several decent decks and would be happy to lend one out for you to pilot for an issue. I play standard and I almost always have a couple of very playable decks with me; if I knew someone at that place would desire to borrow a deck for the evening I'd have no trouble with lending one out and just running whichever one they didn't want to play. Most people aren't just going to walk around the shop request people if they need a deck though--you take to make it known that you're short on cards--and once again, employ common sense and handle them advisedly with clean easily and drinks off the tabular array. Piloting a borrowed deck tin likewise test and build your play skill; maybe you always play aggro and it gives you lot the opportunity to attempt combo, control, or midrange.
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#15 Jan 2, 2015
You don't have to start winning immediately. Build a deck out of what you have then far and just start playing. Being able to play games and learn from them is much more valuable then having a highly powerful deck. Yes, your deck will probably suck compared to other decks you lot encounter up with, but if you programme on keeping up the hobby for any significant flow then you have plenty of fourth dimension to gradually acquire the stuff you lot demand to make the deck better (if you don't programme on playing very long, and so spending a agglomeration of coin is kind of a dumb idea). Of the 20 years I've been playing, that'southward pretty much what I was doing for the first 15 of them. I had a lot of fun and learned a lot well-nigh how to be a better thespian.
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#sixteen Jan two, 2015
Yeah! There have been many occasions where I've lent out decks to people at my Commander league, including my Karn deck which has some pretty pricy cards (similar Mishra's Workshop...
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#18 Jan 5, 2015
No anXiety any.
Yea cards aren't cheap. Information technology'south frustrating sometimes. I feel you. Just I find at that place'south still a lot of good decks to be built for 20 to 100$.
Now for me it'south non that I'g cheap, it's that I can't wrap my head around spending money on cards when even if im well off I could spend that coin on something else more physically valuable, or save it.
So yes I'thou a niggling frugal when it comes to mtg. I'm constantly looking for old cards that are cheap that exercise the same thing as that said rare I tin can't afford. Besides I'1000 always checking prices of these said rares
Awhile back phenax was like 12$, and so it was 5$ then it was like 2$ for a brusk while so I bought a play set. Now I call back it'south back to 5$.
Also go along all them junk rares and either sell em for greenbacks (won't be much just it's improve than credit since u can spend cash online for cards and imho cards are cheaper online if you lot practice your enquiry and that's with aircraft) or trade them for other rares or store credit.
Try and get adept at edifice decks for fifty$ or around there or less, endeavor non to get frustrated and /or allow yourself to recollect it'southward pay to play.
Others might disagree with some of these views I have just I know if you lot think outside the box, and really research what is possible in magic while remembering there'southward always a backstairs, there's ever another fashion.....yous tin brand a winning deck with a little education and research.
Hope that helps. Besides xanax works well likewise
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#19 Jan 6, 2015
I'm a poor engineer pupil, and tin can't afford to buy expensive cards, just at that place is actually no need. I Do well in tornaments, win some prizes, and trade smart. And slowly, I manage to put together even the most expensive decks (I even sold a full sneak and show legacy deck)
You lot likewise dont demand expensive commander decks for it to be adept. My xenagod commander deck is fairly cheap, merely powerful and very fun. Big fatties with haste in your face up!
Or for tournaments its possible to borrow cards if you are lacking a few:)
I besides loan out decks to people I similar/trust:)
Azorious soul blade (fun deck) that I loaned out fabricated 2d at last FNM, he had fun playing it, and the deck is really cheap!
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#20 Jan 6, 2015
If you go a really bad anxiety when it comes to playing Magic there is something incorrect with y'all, and you should really see a doctor.
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#21 January 6, 2015
I realize that this has been echoed by basically everyone before me, but there is nothing wrong with starting with a preconstructed deck and making small, one-off purchases to tweak it and make information technology your own. That's one of the best things well-nigh EDH, in my opinion - your deck is like your child, yours to shape as you encounter fit. And it's not like the most recent pre-cons are bad decks, either - they pack a good punch correct out of the box!
At that place really isn't whatever demand to feel force per unit area about buying into the game - no one is going to gauge yous for adding to your deck a picayune at a fourth dimension. Well, unless they're jerks. In which instance they're just jerks and you shouldn't pay attention to them anyway.
You. Out of the thread. Get. Scoot!
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#22 Jan 6, 2015
Deckbuilding never gives me anxiety, simply going to a tournament does.
I'm then agape of beingness judged, not liked, and more often than not unwelcome that I tend to stay inside my own comfort bubble. I've kept the same friends for over fifteen years, and I'yard very hesitant on assuasive anybody inside that bubble. It's both a blessing and curse. I have a very loyal, very shut group of friends, just besides, I shy away from new activities with new people. I guess them, practise not like them, and experience like they are unwelcome.
I'm lucky if I go to two-3 tournaments/drafts a year considering of this. Heck, I have complete Mod UWR Midrange deck, but I've only played it in a tournament one time.
I have a problem, and I take that. Don't be similar me.
As for prices and money, I understand. But let me tell you this; only the worst of the worst volition judge you on how expensive your Commander deck is. Everybody knows information technology is meant to be a coincidental format, and seeing a newbie throw together the best deck he/she can make with $50-$100 is amazing. My little brother-in-law has a budget Jor Kadeen deck, and that matter tin can kick some serious barrel.
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#23 Jan 6, 2015
I didn't used to have whatsoever anxiety when it came to playing Magic. It was a corking way to spend a day; fun, relaxing, and a great style to go my mind off of annihilation that was bothering me.
That all changed after I was violently threatened by 2 other players, for petty reason. I but can't bring myself to play anymore... Possibly I just demand to detect a new LGS and first over.
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#24 Jan half-dozen, 2015
Shoo.
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#25 Jan 7, 2015
The solution to anxiety is to give yourself a reality-check. Some people like to give positive encouragement, merely I believe that this is counterproductive. It only makes you more than frustrated when things don't work out. Here is the deal:
MtG is an expensive hobby where winning is determined past both luck and skill. It has a large established histrion base, volatile singles market, plenty of online resources and a bad online client.
From at that place, you simply effigy out how much of yourself y'all want to invest in the game and exist realistic about what yous want to exit of that investment. For example, I take an extensive newspaper MtG collection which allows me to play the best decks. I have a very small online drove so I can merely play budget brews online. I take some skill in the game but little time to practice. When I join a existent life tournament I expect to practise decent and I often make elevation 8. Sometimes I win the whole affair. Sometimes I don't do and then well simply I am neither surprised, frustrated nor disappointed. This is just how MtG works. Having the all-time cards and the highest skill only takes you so far. You need luck too and you can't expect to always accept it. I don't play in online tournaments because I know my budget decks demand to run well to win, and there is so much variance in the game that I don't like my chances of going 4-0 with a 10-ticket brew against a 300-ticket top tier build. I play in the tournament practice rooms and have fun beating elevation tier builds about 40%-50% of the fourth dimension with a deck that costs less than just i of their mythic rares.
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#26 Jan 7, 2015
Question is the Feet driven past a demand for completion/immersion?. While I don't have an anxiety issue I do as well recognize that I have tendency to
go to deep, I demand one of every card and endeavor for a playset and I typhoon manner more than then I tin really justify. I've settled down at present, just I utilise to exist much worse
and I definitely over committed my self to magic when I first started playing.
Equally others have mentioned you can definitely start small and play for reasonable amounts, but if you retrieve that yous can't stick to financial limits then maybe this isn't the right time to be playing
I definitely think magic is worth it though and regularly choose a $20 typhoon a week over say a pic or a new game.
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#27 Jan 7, 2015
I'five been playing since time spiral 2006 and accept been collecting slowly from that period of time besides the present. Now i accept a large drove and have the freedom build pretty much whatever I want. But when I was starting out I didn't worry nearly building the most powerful decks just rather i built decks that i could afford and with the cards that i already owned, and a few more than that i have newly collected. Now i have loads of cards just I didn't get them overnight and I never worried about getting them "Correct now!". I think that my leisurely interest with this game devoid of whatever official competitive formats has made it very affordable for me to build a collection and have a large variety of decks.
My reasoning of why i never got involved with any competitive format. The price for entry was very high but the rewards were the same as casual. Or more accurately put, I don't get enough added happiness beyond coincidental (which is cheap to play) for what competitive costs to play (hugely expensive). Specially when compared to other competitive luxury entertainments such as video games, movies, or hanging out with friends. In fact these days MTG is becoming unattractive even for casual play when I ponder my opportunity cost confronting the other forms of entertainment. I honestly wonder how five$ pack of mtg cards provides me more amusement than a 5$ indie game. All the same 3 packs for 15$ for a draft is near the cost of a movie in the theater and provides about the same length of amusement in time, so a draft is time constructive entertainment. Now is a 400$ EDH deck worth the money? for me no. I would demand to get lxxx hours of playtime with just that deck to justify the price in relation to a draft or a movie. If each game is an hour then you would demand to play that deck 80 times to get a comparable render, and if you lot play the deck but 3 times a weekend (or three hours a weekend) y'all would need to use that deck for 27 weeks in order to be competitive with the other forms of amusement. I exercise not play that oftentimes and also don't have just one deck, but have 16 EDH decks. Now most of my decks are around 200-100$ so I only need to play them for about 30 -/+ five hours each (well-nigh xxx games) which is a good amount before i get bored of the deck and motion onto another.
So no I don't have any anxieties about MTG every bit a hobby and the costs of playing it, because I brand decisions based upon not just the cost of the cards in my budget only also the costs of the other things that I can enjoy with that coin. I volition never ain a goyf or a JTMS simply because for their price they do not offer me enough enjoyment to justify the purchase. While Thalids and other odd and strange decks offer me cheap decks that also entertain me at a price that is efficient with my time and coin when compared to other things. My conclusion will be different from other people's conclusions, because of how we value MTG and the other things that compete with information technology will be different.
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#29 Jan 8, 2015
But stick to magic online. Cheaper and easier.
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#30 Jan 9, 2015
This isn't necessarily true. Depending on who you plan on playing against, you tin can play with a reasonably competitive deck in EDH without spending lots of cash. Starting with a precon, or fifty-fifty 2 precons merged together (and using an advisable 2-colour creature for your commander), is a bully way to get into EDH, and doesn't cost $400+. Also, if buying cards, don't exist afraid to get for the white-bordered core set reprint, a SP/MP/HP re-create (bold you're using opaque sleeves), and fifty-fifty aureate-bordered copies (I just did this for Serum Visions; I'm not willing to pay $7+ for a common, simply $1 for something I won't utilise in a tournament anyhow is fine).
A lot of the toll in an EDH deck comes from the mana base, but you don't have to have dual+shock+filter+fetch+[insert more expensive dual/multicolour lands here]. Unlike 1v1 games, EDH games play longer, and you can often afford to take some of your lands ETB tapped. For example, if you wanted to make a GR deck, hither'due south a quick list of cheap lands/artifacts to make a mana base (prices from SCG, but if you wait around your LGS/online, you lot should be able to get all for cheaper):
Fungal Reaches (0.25), Gruul Cluestone (0.15), Gruul Guildgate (0.15), Gruul Keyrune (0.25), Gruul Signet (0.25), Gruul Turf (0.35), Highland Weald (0.45), Karplusan Forest (1.49), Kazandu Refuge (0.29), Mossfire Valley (2.25), Rootbound Crag (1.59), Rugged Highlands (0.15), Shivan Oasis (0.35), Talisman of Impulse (0.25), Temple of Carelessness (two.15), Troll-Horn Cameo (0.25), Control Tower (one.69), Commander's Sphere (0.45), Darksteel Ingot (0.25), Manalith (0.15), Opal Palace (0.39), Glassy Hart (0.25), Evolving Wilds (0.15), Jund Panorama (0.15), Naya Panorama (0.15), Terramorphic Expanse (0.15), Wayfarer'south Bauble (0.15).
That'due south a reasonable mana base for under $fifteen. Throw in a mix of 23 Forest and Mountain, and y'all're proficient to go. As fourth dimension goes on and y'all selection up a Stomping Basis/Wooded Foothills/Fire-Lit Thicket/Grove of the Burnwillows/etc, you lot can supercede the weaker lands in your deck for those.
Obviously I made a random assumption on what colour(due south) you want to play, just all of the lands I listed exist for ally pairs (all around the same cost), and many of them exist for enemy pairs besides. As well, the more colours, the more plush your state base might be, and then fifty-fifty sticking to 1 colour might exist the all-time plan for you (at least for now). At which signal, your land base will exist largely basics anyway.
Every bit for the rest of your cards, just make a fun deck that does something (for my example, peradventure a Rosheen Meanderer (0.49) ramp X deck with Hydras and Fireball/Earthquake effects, a Wort, the Raidmother (one.19) Goblin tokens deck, or a Xenagos, God of Revels (iii.69) beatdown deck). As time goes on and you play the deck, you'll find what cards don't work, and what cards y'all'd similar to upgrade, and as you have some extra cash/tradables effectually, you tin pick upward replacements and upgrades.
Promise this helped you lot in some fashion to observe some inexpensive means to get started in EDH, without having to shell out a ton of money for the deck!
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